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Not even Many Developed Countries have 45 % Enrolment in Colleges. This is a Big Big Achievement by Tamil Nadu
There is one problem with this
Morons, who in other countries / few other states in India, would not be educated, complete college and even manage to get a job in TN
and these morons cannot understand this achievement
In other words those who can't even understand this achievement are graduates here because education is so freely available
I have included the comments in previous post here as a single article
Warning : This is a long article
Subramania Adityan But brother, aren't we comprising quality for quantity?
Most of the graduates struggle to write or speak in Tamil and/or English.
The professional skills of the mass churned out by private professional colleges speak for themselves... Struggling young doctors and unemployable engineers.
When I recruit, I often find that dropouts are more employable ( don't read cheap labour), than degree or diploma holders.
The system requires a major overhaul.
The first step in that direction would be to say goodbye to Lord Macaulay.
When I recruit, I often find that dropouts are more employable ( don't read cheap labour), than degree or diploma holders.
//Thambi, how would you increase the employability of degree holders?
I am sure that you must be having an answer and teasing us!
There are two issues here
2. Education not directly related to needs
Every year 11 lakh kids are born in TN of which more than 8 lakh complete 12 and around 5 lakh become graduates
Employability when measured as the number of people who are employable divided by number of people needed gives low value in TN because of two reasons
We make 50 percent of children graduates.
Many dull heads also become graduates
Of this 500000, only 300000 would be worth
If you had less seats and made only 100000 as graduates, 90000 will be worth
When you see actual numbers
You have 300000 who are employable instaed of 90000,
Of every 10 applications you get , 4 are waste instaed of 1 waste for every 10
This is an inherent problem in the system
This happens when you produce more graduates and this is just because of numbers
We have lot of job options
Employable people get a good job near their home and don't come to you
Employability decreases as education increases
Employability decreases as unemployment decreases
Both these are positive signs and actually reveal that the society has progressed
This is somewhat like saying that there are lots of seatbelt injuries admitted
That implies more people have worn seat belt and are living . . . that is actually a good sign and not to be worried
Reasons for More Seat Belt Injuries are
(1) More People Driving Car (Good)
(3) More People Wearing Seat Belt (Good)
when more people driver cars, seat belt injuries will increase and this is inevitable and this is not a sign of concern. In fact it is a sign of progress
When more people wear seat belts, seat belt injuries will increase and this is inevitable and this is not a sign of concern. In fact it is a sign of jubiliation
(To reduce seat belt injuries, we have to look at reducing accidents and not avoiding wearing seatbelt)
When you are able to impart education to more people
The "employability" will reduce
and this is not a sign of concern
It is a sign of celebration
This is opposite of unemployment
When you have more business opportunities in your place, the person who is more talented will be hired by some one else. So the one who comes to work to you may not be the best
and this is not a sign of concern
It is a sign of achievement
This is opposite of unemployment
Low "employability" due to More Schools and Colleges
Low "employability" due to More Companies and Job Opportunities
are actually causes of celebration and jubilation
Education not in sync with requirement alone is the reason for concern
Coming to the second reason,
We need a change in syllabus and training
We still have hemiplegia and mitral stenosis in exam
The student will know reverse moustache sign and winter bronchitis and ten syndromes with crossed hemiplegia
Do not know how to treat typhoid and malaria
Around 3000 doctors graduate from medical colleges
What is role of DME, What is role of University
How many B Com graduates are taught Tally or Profit ??
Except education of staff nurses and lab technician
Most other courses in India are total to partial waste
These causes are all common to whole of India
It is MCI which frames syllabus for all over India
AICTE for Engineering Colleges
Less Employability in TN is not predominantly not due to syllabus or quality of education etc. TN is comparable, if not better than rest of India as far as Quality is concerned
Inspite of More Quality in Education, there is
Less Employability in TN because of More Colleges and More Companies
Even though residents of a city drive safely and there are less accidents, there are more seat belt injuries in that city because many of them wear seat belts
Even though there are more accidents in another city, the seat belt injuries are less because they don't wear seat best
Inspite of More Quantity as well as Quality in Education in TN , there is
Less Employability in TN because of More Colleges and More Companies
//the Worst educational system is in India..//
We have all kinds of Educational Systems in India
You choose the wrong system and then blame everyone
Same happens in health too
You have all kinds of systems in India
If you can't pay you have govt
If you can pay lakhs, you have corporates
If you can pay thousands, you have small nursing home s
Our people go to Taj Coromandel and Expect Amma Canteen Rates
Go to Amma Canteen and expect Valet Parking
Then Criticise the whole system
Sudharsan Venkat: How about the same in Kerala ? Also all India average?
Badri Seshadri : 2014-15-ம் ஆண்டின் புள்ளிவிவரங்களின்படி, தமிழகத்தின் GER 45%. இந்தியாவின் GER 23.6%. (All India Survey on Higher Education 2014-15, http://aishe.gov.in/ )
உலகின் பல நாடுகளை எடுத்துக்கொண்டால் (2013), ஜெர்மனி, பிரான்ஸ், பிரிட்டன் ஆகியவற்றின் GER 60%. ஸ்வீடன் 65%, நார்வே 78%, நெதர்லாந்து 75%, ஸ்பெயின் 86%, அமெரிக்கா/பின்லாந்து/ஆஸ்திரேலியா போன்றவை சுமார் 90%, தென்கொரியா 98%. சீனா 30%. (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR)
Badri Seshadri I made a presentation a month back in an ICTACT event attended by heads of various Engineering Colleges on TN's GER, what we should aim for (60%), what we need to do to go there etc. I am writing that up as an article in Tamil and will post it soon.
TN, no doubt, is the best in India. We should stop comparing ourselves with other states and start working on what we should do to reach the level of European powerhouses. We should of course start working on improving the quality as well, that is a different story.
By the way, 85% of the higher education institutions in TN are private. 83% of the students are enrolled in private. Just FYI for my statist friends here.
Sudharsan Venkat : How about Kerala ?
Badri Seshadri : Kerala is bad:) Go to the URL I have given and it will give you where every state is. Of the large states, TN, Andhra, Telangana are at the top. I have the figures and graphs in my laptop and will post the graph later. Smaller territories such as Chandigarh, Delhi, Puducherry are above TN.
Sudharsan Venkat : How do they take into account, if the student leave their home state for higher education ? (Happening lot in Kerala)
Badri Seshadri : They ignore the home state of students for GER calculation.
Badri Seshadri : Also note that GER calculation covers even ITI, Polytechnics, Teacher training institutes and all kinds of certification programs above High School.
Mohamed Ismail Nainamohamed இந்திய ஆட்சிப் பணி தேர்வு, ஐ.ஐ.டி., எய்ம்ஸ் போன்றவற்றில், தமிழக மாணவர்களின் சேர்க்கையும் வேலைவாய்ப்பும் ஒப்பீட்டளவில் மிகக் குறைவே.
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas Sir
Can you give data please for that too
Mohamed Ismail Nainamohamed Sorry I don't have data. Moreover I would say IAS and IPS could be cleared much easier than JEEIIT and CAT.
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas //Sorry I don't have data. Moreover I would say IAS and IPS could be cleared much easier than JEEIIT and CAT.//
How many IAS posts each year
Mohamed Ismail Nainamohamed We must accept the standard of our board syllabus is much lower than the CBSE. That's why we saw many north Indian students in our medical colleges. Now I think more Tamil students are getting those seats due to increased admission in CBSE schools.
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas //We must accept the standard of our board syllabus is much lower than the CBSE. That's why we saw many north Indian students in our medical colleges.//
It is because of fraud . . .
//. Now I think more Tamil students are getting those seats due to increased admission in CBSE schools.//
How many vacancies in IAS every year
Which do you think is more competitive
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas Ok sir
How many people get selected to IIT or Pre Medical without special coaching every year
Mohamed Ismail Nainamohamed More IAS, IPS passed out by Tamil students is due the only other way available for Tamil students. Those students who could get admission in IIT don't want to compete in civil services exams.
Mohamed Ismail Nainamohamed Our students couldn't get admission even after coaching classes.
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas //Our students couldn't get admission even after coaching classes.//
That means the student would not have got even if he had studied in CBSE
Syllabus is not important
Mohamed Ismail Nainamohamed No, no. Coz, not giving the opportunity to compete for IIT.
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas //No, no. Coz, not giving the opportunity to compete for IIT.//
For IIT JEE you need to have special coaching
Syllabus is not at all relevant
Mohamed Ismail Nainamohamed See, coaching classes are there everywhere for every professional course.
Mohamed Ismail Nainamohamed Do we have not have adequate syllabus in our MBBS course. Then why our students go to kochi and allappuzha and chennai for coaching to get pg seat.
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas //Do we have not have adequate syllabus in our MBBS course. Then why our students go to kochi and allappuzha and chennai for coaching to get pg seat.//
Because these exams require coaching
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas //Nowadays every exam. needs coaching. That's what I was writing in previous replies.//
That is why CBSE or State board is immaterial
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas //
TN state board and most of the state boards still follow MOTS ( More of the Same) system which is based on rote memorisation. This shows up in their poor performance in IIT exams, even if they join some coaching.
If a person is not able to get seat even after coaching, then it is his fault
Not the fault of his school smile emoticon
I think we need to get this very very clear instead of blaming unrelated issues
Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas Sir
Are three different Aspects
You are confusing between all these
Badri Seshadri Both quantity and quality are important. Whenever one talks of quantity, we see arguments for quality. I prefer unemployable graduates to unemployable high schoolers. I can train the former better. Of course the goal is to improve the standards, for which we got to have the functioning colleges in place.
If you can't understand this, please read few more times
If you can't even after reading many times, well the reason has been already mentioned :) :) :)
